7.Silvia Rosa: Mediumship, Mirroring & Manifesting Through Art
Quincee & Silvia— both Pisces painters— trace Silvia’s artistry through family trees, the process of drawing inspiration from the collective unconscious, and the intricate work of mediumship. They explore the path of the artist as a mirror to the world, adapting to their environments, and explore manifestation through creation, and finding safety in motion. You are a liquid mirror, you are always in motion, you are the medium.
00:00 Introduction to the Vision Seed Podcast
00:41 The Vision Seed Creative Cohort
01:21 Navigating the Creative Energy System
05:02 Exploring the Root Chakra
05:45 Artistic Journey and Inspirations
09:22 Dreams and Their Influence on Art
17:14 Confidence and Identity in Art
20:51 The Role of Ego and Identity
31:58 Boundaries and Protection in Creative Practice
38:38 Exploring Boundaries and Fierceness
40:02 Key Conversations Shaping Artistic Experience
40:40 Fascination with Film and Acting
43:28 Identity and Innate Self
51:22 Intuition and Creative Path
57:40 Manifestation and Creative Practice
01:11:11 Connection to Spirit and Source
01:16:18 Closing Thoughts and Invitations
Thank you, dear friend, for journeying into the void with us! Send this to someone who would resonate, or you find magical.
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7. Silvia Rosa
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Quincee: [00:00:00] Welcome to the Vision Seed Podcast, where we gather in the dark beneath the soil with an luminous void from which all creation blooms without our sense of sight. We explore the alchemy of the creative process through intimate conversations with artists and visionaries. Together we embrace the mystery and infinite potential of the unknown.
This is a space to honor the whisper of inspiration in the dance within the blackness that births creative magic. Let's journey into the void.
Okay, here's the truth. You are not meant to make art. You are meant to become the portal through which art arrives. We've been taught to force creativity to wait for the perfect idea to chase inspiration like it's outside of us . That's why I created the Vision Seed Creative Cohort. This is an eight week journey for creatives ready to stop forcing their art and start embodying it.
Every week we move through the energy system, breath by breath, chakra by chakra, unlocking a deeper relationship with creativity. Through live sessions, movement, meditation, and ritual, [00:01:00] you'll learn to tune into your body's intelligence, trust your intuition, and open to the creative current that is already waiting to move through you.
You don't need to be a yogi, an artist, or have any experience with this kind of work. Just come as you are with your wild ideas and all of your resistance and your longing to create something real. If something inside of you is whispering, yes, follow that. Enrollment is open now and we begin soon.
Quincee: So recording in the dark is what we're up to today.
And the way that we roadmap ourselves through the dark, as we sit here, is by working up through the energy system of the body. As it relates to your creative journey and your. Path as an artist. I'll ask questions that kind of guide us up through each of those seven spaces.
Root sacral, solar Plexus, heart, throat, third Eye and Crown Chakras. And we'll go on all sorts of wild adventures within, in between all of those spaces. And then I'll just sculpt us back [00:02:00] onto track by directing our energy just up and through.
In the Kundalini tradition that I trained in, we start with a vision. Because we want to be able to know what's on the other side of the river, that which we're building a bridge towards. We want to input the destination into our GPS before we set out on the road. But this doesn't have to be something that we think hard about.
We're just gonna connect to a sense of vision, and then we'll make our way back up towards the third eye center in a little while. As we sit here in the dark, your invitation is just to scan the body
and as you scan the body, allow attention to gently embrace whatever part of the body is most sensate in this moment.
And as you rest attention on that area of most sensation in the body,
[00:03:00] allow it to send any messages it wants to send
invite, curiosity, what is the color,
the form,
the texture, I maybe even the sound or the word
~Of course you're always changing and there's an ocean of sensation, but what are you seeing? I'm a~
Silvia: Before you even stating that, like bringing attention to one part of the body, that it was definitely the heart. Like I felt when I was scanning everything, it would open up space around the heart and then it would just, make its way down again. And the color of the heart was purple and I was just hearing the word calling and I saw this man blowing a trumpet with wings.
~And~
~yeah, ~and ~I think~ I think something that's been coming up a lot is longing. So it's a very heart-centered experience, I think. ~Yeah.~
Quincee: I'm thinking about the two different energetics there. [00:04:00] There's calling and there's longing. Like calling in my heart feels really expansive, whereas longing maybe feels more scarce or more small or Yeah.
A little bit more contracted. And I'm also wondering at the way that both of those can exist simultaneously within the space of the heart because it is so fast and, yeah. Truly without limit, it can hold the, it can hold both of those at once. ~That we long for something and~
Silvia: also we call for it.
Quincee: Yeah.
Silvia: And they move in two different directions. ~And ~I think that's, just creates balance. ~Yeah. ~That's a natural ~Yeah. ~Dichotomy or relationship.
Quincee: Yeah. And I also think even physiologically as the heart pumps, it's yeah. And as it pumps blood out, it's like a calling and as it brings blood in, it's like a longing. It's an inflow and an outflow in the heart. ~Yeah. ~Yeah. Beautiful. Ah, [00:05:00] thanks for letting me into that with you. ~Yeah. ~Okay, so let's turn you down into the root chakra, and here we're in the color red and at the base of the spine at the seat.
And the roots. My curiosity for you here is around your history and your past as an artist. And right now, what creation makes you feel most at home and grounded and safe? So both of those things, you can start telling me a little bit about, like how your relationship with art has evolved over the course of your life and then where you are now with it.
Silvia: Yeah.
~I think it's gonna~ I think the response is gonna be similar to a lot of people, but my relationship with art was ~we, ~we were born simultaneously. There was no point in my life where I. Came into an appreciation of art. It ~just ~just accompanied [00:06:00] me. And I started out by expressing that through ~like ~hand painting.
~But ~that was the beginning of visual art, that I can remember. Using my hands and my feet using paint building. I just wanted to constantly be creating. I started with writing stories. I would write long books. I would make comics. I wanted to integrate humor and art. ~And ~speaking of ~like ~the topic of longing, I really longed for that ability to.
Put so much expression into each character I was creating and, like the simplicity of the lines, but how much emotion each character evoked was something that I wanted the skillset for. And then, I started becoming [00:07:00] obsessive with family trees. I don't know why. I would sit there for hours and I would write out each person's name, their characteristics, and I would write out, their partner's name and their characteristics and their child.
I think I was around nine to 12, maybe even seven to 12. ~And then, yeah, ~and then it just went off from there. I went to school, so then I was learning techniques you learn, in school and the quote unquote correct way to make art.
My art has evolved because ~it's ~it's this moving fluid it like eats everything. Yeah. And it's, and it takes everything and it rolls over. ~And~ and for a while I was slightly bothered by that because my art, if you look at my art, it's hard to pinpoint what my style is.
It envelops ~like ~[00:08:00] my innate. Skill sets, but combined with what I was taught in school it's a lot of mixed media. And then I made peace with it in the last year because, ~I think it's, ~I think that is what art is. It's beautiful. ~You, ~your art is just like a manifestation of everything.
It's, culmination of just everything you've seen in your life and everything that you collect from ~like ~the collective consciousness. ~And yeah. ~And a combination of my, like generations before me, almost ~like ~more than half of my family are also artists. ~And sorry, I have to shift.~
And some of them I didn't even know until later in my life. Yeah, it's a part of like my familial background, ~but it's~ and then I have my own, relationship with it. And I guess that would, that's honestly the short answer to that.
Quincee: I find it so interesting that you had a curious interest in tracing the lineage in the ancestry ~and the Yeah.~
I think that's really [00:09:00] a significant, thread that I think that you're probably still following in some ways in your explorations creatively, i'm curious about , the impulse to pay reverence to, or give attention to those around you and serve them in reciprocity through your art or through your creativity.
It's interesting. ~Yeah. ~And right now, what feels like home creatively to you?
Something I forgot to mention was a huge influence for my art was my dreams. ~And ~I just think dreams are so special and the kinds of dreams that I experienced as a kid were, they were all lucid, they were. Colorful and bright ~and~ I don't know if you've ever seen the movie Paprika.
~Yeah. ~It was like that every night. But, there was also dreams that everyone has these dreams, that were prophetic.
Silvia: In that someone would come to me or I would go to someone and they would say, they would transfer some kind of wisdom to me verbally, and I would wake up and I had [00:10:00] completely forgotten what they'd said, but I could still, I felt it like it was almost as, ~as it ~if it was like input.
~And~
Quincee: Yeah, I can resonate that kind of dream. I had something similar to that recently where. I was, in my dream, I was on my deathbed, oh my gosh. And this old woman came to me and I could tell she was a medicine woman. She was ~like ~very shamanic and very wise and really tiny.
~She was small. And ~she took my hand and as she took my hand, she just downloaded into me.
Silvia: Wow. All of
Quincee: the moments in my life. She scanned over my timeline and pointed to all of these ~moments where I, she described to me that these were ~moments where I was connected to the source energy of creation.
~Oh. And ~she showed me little altars that I'd made in the sand and little sand castles and drawings that I made as a child and passages from my journals. ~Oh. ~And she just pointed to all of these things and she said, see, and then as she was downloading this into [00:11:00] me, she just kept smaller and smaller until she's so small.
My God. And I looked at her and I said, I actually think that you need to go first. And when I said that, when I say go, to die before me and to let her through the portal of death. And she said, oh, yes. I'm so tired. I'm so weary. I would love to go before you. Thank you so much. Oh. So yeah, definitely like one of those download dreams ~from like ~a figure comes in and gives you some sort of message, but you don't even really know what it is.
It was not verbal. ~It wasn't yeah, ~it wasn't a report. ~There was no story. ~It was just. Kindness and benevolence and witnessing.
Silvia: Wow.
Quincee: Yeah.
Silvia: It feels so directly symbolic to me. ~Yeah. ~That's such a beautiful dream.
Quincee: I also read it as symbolic and it motivated me to go visit my last living grandmother, my last remaining grandparent.
~Where did they live? ~Because I thought that was maybe her way of sending me some sort of message. I would like for you to come see me and give me permission. Wow. To pass. But our visit was very much not like [00:12:00] that. It was interesting 'cause I think I had some sort of expectation going into our visit that I was going to receive some sort of real download.
But the real download actually came from the dream and the visit with my grandma was very different. Not what I was expecting at all. Yeah. ~Where does your grandma live?~
Silvia: Wow. But that's, and I think as artists we something really beautiful also, as, also as people born in the month of March, something that is both kind of a strength and sometimes a weakness is that we don't have boundaries with our ability to visualize and create.
~And~ and we romanticize life a lot. And then we're consistently put in positions where we're like, there's so many different realities that are occurring at times that you're like, oh, wow. I do that a lot. Where ~I am, ~I go into a situation and I've already. [00:13:00] Illustrated exactly how it's gonna go.
And it's not necessarily like I need it that way, but then I go into it and it teaches me something. ~So like ~entirely different.
Quincee: Yeah, I hear that. I feel like we're already naturally traversing up into the sacral and oh yeah. That, and it's great. And it's like this creative impulse. And you are casting what Abraham Hicks calls, like rockets of desire, let's say. She's you have a vibrational rocket of desire. So it's basically because you are so creative you have already, launched into the imaginal realm and constructed this beautiful romantic version of reality, we don't even have to call it a fantasy. Yeah. That ~you, ~you hold in your heart or in your sacral as your desired outcome. ~Yeah. ~And it can be challenging, but also beautiful to go into our reality in the 3D with that desire and compare and contrast the way that ~totally ~things stack up.
In your [00:14:00] sacral, like what feels inspiring or exciting or like what is seducing you creatively right now? ~Yeah, I walked around that. I guess ~
Silvia: ~I I, that's a hard question. Because ~I think my, art recently has been ~I ~very personal.
~And ~an exploration of who I innately am ~or who ~or all the different parts of me that exist. And exploring that through my art and developing that experience in my art. ~And ~it involves different people and, ~it involves ~different kinds of lives and colors and emotions and ~it's, again, ~it's a culmination of all these different, ~yeah.~
Experiences and people's and their lives. But, ~it's, ~the root is personal. I'm doing a lot of ~like ~self-exploration and development through my art, which I think, is a lot of artists' paths ~is is ~the self-exploration ~that, it ~creates kind of a roadmap or an inspiration for other people too.
[00:15:00] Even though it's personal, it's still shared curiosity and, just that human experience of craving depth and understanding and connection. ~So yeah. ~
Quincee: I think ~as a, yeah. ~As a Pisces artist, like exploring the depth of yourself is like ~what maybe, ~maybe what we do best. ~Yeah.~
Being both Pisces artists and also, my first interview was with my brother, and he's also a Pisces artist, a musician. And I think that was that's a nucleus that we really can gather around, ~and ~I am remembering something really beautiful that a friend of mine was telling me, how
we explore the universal through the individual. Exactly. Yeah. And I think that there's something so beautiful about that, like really ~deeply~ diving into an exploration of the self and of identity in order to more deeply understand all beings. ~And ~especially entering into it with that intention ~of ~of expanding your compassion or capacity to understand others and the world around you.
~Totally.~
Silvia: ~Interesting. ~Yeah, ~I~
~sometimes the, it's interesting because ~sometimes [00:16:00] the art I make feels. And this is partly we can get into this later, but, it's partly why I do readings is that, because I'm, such a clear channel, which is both, daunting and, beautiful. I don't know, it's dark sometimes, but because the clarity, sometimes when I'm creating art, it is so impersonal and I know it's meant for someone else.
So this kind of recent exploration is really fascinating because ~Wow. ~It feels very embodied.
Quincee: Okay, so you're really coming to the exploration of identity through your art, like in a pretty new way. ~Sounds like in a ~
Silvia: ~different way. ~It's hard because exactly what you said. Just playing with the universal through the individual and expressing that like very personally is.
Something that to a degree I've probably always done right. And I think a lot of artists do, but, there are little pockets of times where it's impersonal ~and, ~but right now, I think especially maybe this age that we're in, [00:17:00] there's so many things you're sorting through. And, it is a really like self integrated and focused time in life.
And yeah, I guess that's just, you can see that in my art right now.
Quincee: Yeah. And we're totally in the solar plexus now too, exploring questions of identity and . Value and of confidence and in the inverse, like self-consciousness or fear or lack of confidence or confusion.
And I'm curious if you have any gems of wisdom to share in terms of what's stepping into your confidence as an artist has looked like and as a, and as someone who does readings. Because in order to, to share from that clear channel, you have to have a certain. Degree of confidence in yourself and in your expression.
And I'm curious if you have any ~Yeah. ~Insights around that.
Silvia: That's interesting. That is what I'm learning right now, actually, is confidence. This is a huge topic. Yeah. You're in your solar plexus right now
I think confidence [00:18:00] is returning entirely to who you are innately and how you can like best serve that expression. And so when I see confidence in myself and when I do readings, which you're right, that does take a, that does take a certain level of confidence.
The thing that helps me is the reminder that my mind is not all there is.
A lot of my readings my. The majority of what my readings are is channeling and reminding myself that is someone else's wisdom and not even someone else's. But you're tapping into just like a larger connective experience
just reminding yourself that we're all, just like living and ~like ~breathing ~and playing ~and feeling all these different things. ~And it's, it, ~once you take the personal or the ego identity out of it, you just remind yourself that anything you do regardless of its impact is just part of this, like self-expression.
And I [00:19:00] think the biggest thing with confidence that I'm learning is that it's not, you can't take a shortcut. You have to just go into it. You have to push yourself to. Sing in front of people. ~Yeah. ~Or speak your needs or make a huge meal for people and just accept that it tastes how it tastes, or that people are gonna have their own reaction.
You just have to ~force, it's not force, but ~throw yourself ~Yeah. ~Out into that openness, into the void.
Quincee: Yes. ~And~
Silvia: let it just interact the way it's going to interact.
Confidence is just, ~yeah. Again, like ~a rebellion against the minimization and the ego, driven I need to like, fix this and have control over this.
~And, ~
Quincee: yeah. I think there's a distinction here I like really wanna highlight that you made, which was that we're not cultivating confidence from, or radiance, let's say we're not cultivating it from nothingness. ~And building it like a fire from. An ember, like ~there already is within us an innate fire of radiance and confidence and [00:20:00] self-worth.
Yeah. That we're actually just trying to remove the cloud or the covering around. And I think that, another thing I really wanna highlight here too is ~so often, like it's associated with how do I wanna say this? ~We associate confidence with ego and that's actually not the case. Those are two very different kind of experiences.
~And the ego will. Protect itself.~
Silvia: Yeah.
Quincee: Whether it's through confidence or whether it's through self-sabotage, or whether it is through addiction or whether it is through, unhealthy attachments, like the ego has a million different faces and a million different names
That it will take on in order to preserve itself, which is not dirty, bad or wrong.
It's beautiful and it's okay.
Silvia: ~And~
Quincee: I think that, it's really just important that we make the distinction between confidence and ~a ~egoism. There's a difference there. And, ~yeah, I think, yeah, ~I think it's interesting to talk about. ~I'm not sure, was I where I'm going Allergic the two?~
~No. Oh, okay. ~You were ~like ~pulling them apart in a way that I really appreciated. ~Yeah.~
Silvia: ~Yeah. Yeah. ~I know because ego's a, I like that you bring that up because. Speaking about the ego, it already is we could go down that path and it would be hours of conversation, ego.
I know. [00:21:00] You're right. It takes on all these different characteristics. The ego is, I think the ego lacks identity. It's just there for like self preservation and ~it's, and you're right, ~it's not bad nor good, it's just there. There's a reason it exists, I think. ~Yeah. At least it's a teacher. I don't know what, yeah.~
~The~
Quincee: other day I was having a really, I was having a fun chat with my friend as we drove up into the mountains for a little adventure and we were talking about identity ~and I don't remember who said this again. ~I think ~that ~it must have been ~probably ~Rom Doss ~was~
he was talking about. Before giving up your ego developing an ego worth giving up. Wow. And I, we were just playing with this idea and getting curious about this concept of what if I just really allowed myself to embody a character and like fully adorned myself ~Yes. ~With all of the different things.
Okay. I wanna talk about this. Okay, let's do it. Let's do it. Yeah. I'll put on the whole costume down to the buttons, down to the details. I will do my hair in the way that this person would do their hair. I'm gonna put on the character, I'm gonna be this person. [00:22:00] And that way when I to sit in my, meditation or when I go to create.
I strip that thing off and I know it so intimately that I know when it's off wow, just really, that's getting interesting. Super aware of the costume that you're wearing and the suit that you're in. Ross Gay calls them like covers. These are our covers and ~getting really~ getting really familiar with and leaning into your cover when you're in it, and then knowing the moment to like, get naked.
Totally. Yeah. Wow. That's
Silvia: a really interesting,
Quincee: oh,
Silvia: okay. Yeah. Say more. You are bubbling over there. No, I love that. I love the idea of getting so dressed up that once you take it off you become aware of all the layers that you've just put on. When I was a kid, I think what children do best is they manifest because you come into the world and you keep learning and you keep, downloading information and you're picking up on all these things and you're just existing in a material world and energetic world, and you're just, I remember as a [00:23:00] kid, I would go into classrooms and I would see someone in the classroom.
I'd be like, that's gonna be my friend. And then it was always right. They would be my friend and I think just that beautiful like sense of play and ease and like that natural relationship with just creating things from nothing is so pure and so innate for everyone. I've been thinking about this a lot though because in my childhood, ~I was under,~
I had a lot of experiences with deep, unsafety and I learned really well how to camouflage
and adapt and assimilate into just different environments. ~And, ~
Quincee: really resonate with that.
Silvia: Yeah. ~Yeah. ~And I think part of this self-exploration is like trying to remember who I am, but in that also keeping in mind that life is like theatrical.
You don't, there is [00:24:00] no one self. Yeah. And remembering that I can dress this way one day, or say these words one day or there's so many modes of expression and to limit myself to one or two ~would would~ would not be kind to myself. ~Yeah. Because, ~
Quincee: in
Silvia: the same way my art.
Ex expresses all these different themes. That is also who I am as a person. I have a core and I have a very strong sense of self that I've always had. But the theatrical aspect of it, being able to play in all these different worlds and all these different dynamics is also integral to who I am.
~Yeah.~
Quincee: All embracing, all encompassing. Yeah. Yeah. I'm remembering a conversation that I had with, a student one time in the field. I was a wilderness therapy guide and ~Wow. ~I worked in the back country for a season in the woods and it was winter and one of the students in like a young adults group was he had come out to the woods and [00:25:00] just started writing songs. And in his three months there, he wrote an entire album and had all of these incredible songs that he was playing on guitar with like his frozen hands. It was so cold out there and I was just so amazed by the student and he and I had this conversation about what if our metric of success in life were, and this was really just silly, but there's also something profound here at the same time around the question of how many times can you respond anew?
And for me, that really hit and got me really thinking about like the permission that we give ourselves to. Become something new or to shed another layer or to drop a little bit deeper or to become a little bit bigger or, shift in whatever way we need to shift ~is ~is actually such a big part of our success.
And there was another person who once was, I was listening to a [00:26:00] podcast years ago who was saying in your twenties, start and end as many jobs as you can.
Silvia: Yes.
Quincee: Which I was like, initially I was like, that's crazy. But when I look back over my twenties, now I'm like about to be 26 years old. I really have spent so much of my time in my twenties starting and ending different things and all of them have been fruitful and all of those response have held. Deep wisdom and deep insight and yeah, just really holding so much gratitude for the response and like the identity investigations, let's say.
~Ugh. Yeah. Yeah. Wow. ~And I think that kind of does bring us into the heart too, because the heart is the space where all of those different identities appear and where you like, hold love and compassion for the core that never changes. Yeah. And you identify as the core that never changes.
Between all of those different identity [00:27:00] explorations and all those different adornments and all of those different costumes and explorations. ~Yeah. I don't know. Oh my gosh.~
Silvia: Yeah. Yeah. The heart space. ~Ugh.~ Once you listen to it and then you sit with it for a while, you'll learn from it for the rest of your life.
You could, we could just tune into the finger and I think you could learn a life's worth of wisdom from the family.
Quincee: This is
Silvia: crazy that you say
that. I have, oh my gosh, this is so weird. Yeah, because a couple years ago I was on a road trip, one of these very identity exploration road trips, , ~and I would love to talk about travel too, between us, because we need to talk about that. ~And I was traveling with a friend of mine who is a zen Buddhist, basically monk. She lives in a practice house full time, and we were. Making jokes the whole trip because I was saying, ah, you could live the whole life just in your fingertip.
And so we would keep saying that over and over again. And here you are, echoing that back to me a couple of years later. So [00:28:00] another one of those reminders of, the collective conscious and that we're actually not separated at all and that we're all swimming in the same themes and ~X ~explorations.
No,
no separation. There's no separation.
Quincee: There's both separation and non-separation. Yeah, that's true. And they exist within one another. Yeah. But yes. Yes. Oh, okay. Please continue the whole life in a fingertip.
Silvia: Oh yeah. ~I don't know. That might've been the ending of that though. ~I'm sorry I interrupted.
It was just like, no,
Quincee: you didn't, that it was too incredible not to dive into, yeah.
Silvia: That's part of my journey too, is ~is ~finding ~finding. ~Expressive healthy ways to be a clear channel. And it happens, in spaces when I'm calm and I'm connected with a person that their don't, sometimes their information will come to me too, or there'll be other, oh, wow. Yeah, that might, sometimes that happens. Or someone's like why? Why did say, wait, why did you say that? What did you just say? They're like, didn't I just tell, did I tell you that? Wow. It's, no we're, and they, and the other person, I think tunes in too, and it might just be expressed differently.
That's
Quincee: really [00:29:00] incredible. That's something I've never thought about when it comes to mediumship. Oh, it goes, yeah. Yeah. That you're just like, you're just getting things that might be actually signals for the other person and Totally, yeah. You're receiving information that's, ~wow. Beyond you, ~beyond the scope of, ~yeah.~
Silvia: See, I see a lot of things that I just say, and sometimes mediumship is just a mirror, ~yeah. Yeah. ~
Quincee: That's really cool. Yeah. It's something that Elizabeth Gilbert talks about in her book, big Magic. Don't think this idea started with her, but the way that she puts it as like in the collective unconscious, or let's say maybe in the ether or in the void,
There are creative impulses and there are stories, and they will come through whatever channel is most like, willing and ready and open to receive them. And she's we're just lightning rods. And if lightning doesn't strike you because you're not ready for it, it's gonna strike someone else.
'cause that energy is devoted to coming down and it's gonna come down. It's inevitable. ~Yeah. That it wants to come into form. ~Wow. ~That's or into word.~
Silvia: Yeah. ~Yeah. ~I wanna add to that, that, that's really [00:30:00] interesting because sometimes when I do readings, it really has nothing to to a certain extent in a way it does, but even people who are, open to their, own spiritual journey are very just open to,
kind of a mediumship or just readings in general. They're not, that doesn't necessarily mean they're the easiest to read for. Be it just depends on the kind of protection or, the level of, decisiveness that you have on how much that person will know. Sometimes I do, the best readings I've done, actually the clearest ~reason ~readings are with people who have never had an experience with that, and they go into it with this kind of like vulnerability and this like softness and this like deep curiosity with discomfort and, it's like a soul expression of,
them wanting to have this manifestation spoken outward. And that is always the clearest because they create an open channel for me. Whereas there's some people, maybe other people that do [00:31:00] readings and if they have preoccupations maybe they have competition or maybe they're not, they don't, feel inclined to be open in that way.
~And ~sometimes it's subconscious. Those, sometimes are, they're more difficult and random kind of untethered ideas will come through instead of just like clear consciousness,
so that's really interesting you talk about clear channels because that, a huge part of like when I do readings is me wanting to make sure that it's like the consent aspect you can cut, you can always have walls and boundaries and that's even healthy if you don't want a reading to be done.
It won't be done, ~yeah.~
Quincee: In your mediumship explorations.
Totally. How do you create like a protection and boundary around yourself and, and this is related to the heart, like how do you maintain enough openness and curiosity in your heart while also having like boundary and protection like a rose, in the way of having that, that toughness that protects the tenderness.
What's your strategy [00:32:00] there? And this is for my own explorations too, and being, and channeling. ~Yeah. Yeah. ~How do you create protection for
Silvia: yourself? That is something I'm always learning. When you're, again, going back to childhood, you are, you're very open, you're very vulnerable. ~Yeah. ~Being clear is not, as I've said, we know it's not always a positive experience, in fact. Especially with the aspect of like fluid identity or water. Yeah. You either sink or you soar. Truly. Oh my gosh, really? Hitting close up, pick up on so many things. Yeah. You're so porous,
Quincee: so sensitive.
Yeah. Oh yeah.
Silvia: Yeah. And I didn't grow up in a household that necessarily nurtured that to any degree I didn't have anyone to guide me until I got older and I like just naturally came into contact with those people.
I really took a long time to have, to learn how to protect myself. I do a lot of, ~I do. ~I think we talked about it briefly. I do. Something called [00:33:00] the meditation of the rose. ~Yeah. Roses and you bring up ~roses, are really significant to my protection. Again, because they have that, dual experience of tenderness and, what would ~the word, what's ~the right word for thorns?
Like I think protection or fierceness. Yeah, fierceness. That's a good word. ~Yeah. ~And I think especially verbalizing or you could even say just the intention of strength. And I do not let anything that does not intend to support me and my, ~like my highest good or who I am. ~In essence. Just being really strong about your boundaries.
Because strength and kind of like decisiveness is not
Quincee: mean,
Silvia: That's not a bad thing. You could even be a little mean if you want, you're creating a sense of this is who I am, this is where I'm at. ~Yeah. ~And without this protection, I can't help myself nor others.
~Yeah. ~So being very clear about ~the other, ~the spiritual world or the different realms ~or ~I do not let anything in those not support who I am at essence, or who I wanna be or who I am. ~Yeah. ~I [00:34:00] do a lot of vocalizing, I do a lot of writing, I do a lot of meditations where ~I, ~you connect ~like ~with, both the sun and the core of the earth.
The grounding. I bet I am. I think you do all of that, and that's and that's kinda it. Yeah.
Quincee: I think we're aligned there. Yeah. Yeah. One thing, oh my gosh. Yeah. One thing that I learned recently is that this experience of like diving into meditation kind of unguarded is like relatively new in the scheme of, history and especially in the lineage of Buddhist meditation practice. ~Like ~people ~now, ~nowadays in ~like ~the western world and the western audiences are really fascinated by and interested in just diving into seated meditation.
~Yeah. ~But ~like for so many thousands of years in these traditions, burping ~for so many thousands of years in these traditions, they would have really intentional ritual space set and ~like ~guardians and protectors around those spaces, to help ward off any energies that are not in service of the highest benevolence.
Because it's true ~that, and I've definitely experienced this in. My own life ~that [00:35:00] when we begin to cultivate a higher vibration and more and more light and more and more peace and ease in our bodies and in our fields of our energy, dark things actually can be attracted to that. And like I totally, I do think that in order to expand our capacity for light and expand our capacity for walking that light fearlessly, we need boundaries and protection.
~So I'm, ~so I think I could talk about this for a really long time. Yeah. With you. And I'm remembering a really poignant experience that I had a few years ago on another one of those road trips that was very identity, defining really. Really big for me in my ~like, ~coming of age. ~And ~I was with a bunch of friends and there were two people in the car who were going through a really challenging breakup and I was really close to both of them.
And also ~like ~maybe Unhealthfully ~really ~emotionally enmeshed with both of them. ~And ~it was before, this [00:36:00] languaging around boundary work even came into my field. I never had healthy boundaries ever in my entire life. ~And on the way home, ~on the drive home, they were not talking to each other.
And in this really dense, energetic field in the car, I absorbed everything and I got extremely sick on the way home. Oh no. Like I just caught this incredible fever like I've never had before where I had chills and was like so impossibly exhausted and could not get warm and was just super, super sick.
~And ~it. Came as quickly as it disappeared. It was just like, as soon as I got home and got back into my own room, my own space, my own energy field, it was gone. Wow. And so I think I looked to that moment as an example of like why it is so important that when I walk into spaces, whether I'm teaching or facilitating or holding, even in these conversations where, I'm with [00:37:00] someone really dear who I trust, but I'm still taking a moment before to call in protection and it's not violent towards those who I'm around or those who I'm sharing space with.
It's just creating that iridescent bubble of like safety and support so that we can really unfold into our highest and best, yeah. Oh, thanks for letting me tangent, but No, please. Yeah,
Silvia: I've been tangenting the whole time. ~It's~
Quincee: good.
~It's ~
Silvia: ~good. ~Yeah, it's really good. ~Yeah. Yeah. I, yeah, I'm having such a, ~I think, and it's been aligning with a lot of people I've been meeting is, this kind of experience of boundaries. ~I could, ~it's gonna be a whole, it's gonna come up my entire life. ~And~ just talking with people around me as I ~am~ have been in this exploration for a little while is, the kind of like decisiveness and the directness of boundaries and relearning what that means and relearning, ~the, I think ~especially around like femininity.
Regardless of gender, when you express [00:38:00] femininity. We've boxed it into this idea of boundlessness and openness and even a level of like self abandoning, self abandoning. And ~that~ that is what kind of helps certain people stay in power.
~And I was, listen, ~I was hearing someone talk about how the healthiest, children are raised by mothers who have boundaries and take care of themselves. And, I've been thinking a lot about that and, what that looks like to me. And what that can look like to other people.
And I've been noticing that the fierceness that exists in me, the fire that is actually really, innate to who I am is coming out. Sometimes ~and ~it scares people ~sometimes it can be scary ~because ~especially ~it scares people the most that I think also have that innate fierceness that they haven't been able to express.
~And~ I've understood that, as a kid, when I was trained to not have boundaries ~and to ~and for my empathy to just be a constant fountain running out. Absolutely. I was intimidated by people that were fierce, but yeah. It's not [00:39:00] bad. Yeah.
Quincee: Yeah. I can resonate with that experience of being expected to be a foun of like compassion and forgiveness and Right.
And really having to, I. Navigate the adjustment period of, especially within the family system of I actually know you guys, like I, I need to protect myself a little bit more than I have as a child and I think that's really, yeah.
I applaud you. And that exploration of boundary and discovering a fire that might have Yeah. That might have been covered over suppressed in childhood of Yeah. Of self and of radiance. Yeah. And fire and passion. Yeah. All that. I love that. I think, I know that we've already, talked about expression and boundaries and I think that is also related to throat chakra. ~And. ~As you named, ~like ~being able to talk about yourself as a newer, ~kind of ~space you're carving out, like that sharing and that [00:40:00] claiming of identity.
Yeah. I'm curious if there's ~anything, ~any key conversations in your life that have really shaped your experience as an artist.
Silvia: Conversations. Yeah. If you can think of any. So many, but I'm trying to think. The hard thing is that everyone who comes into my life teaches me something, ~so I, ~so many conversations. Yeah. This right now, I learn a lot about my self-exploration, my art one through, it's like non-verbal dialogue with my grandmother who passed before I was born. But also, through film, which is interesting. Tell me more. I have always been really fascinated with film and I love movies and I love kind of those which is funny, I love those pretentious films where they're like, they're silent films.
Or they're, I love Kosky, I love Godard, I love all those. Me too. [00:41:00] Yeah. They're just, you haven't talked about that at all. Beautiful. No, I love film. We have not talked about that. I don't know how we haven't. And I love animation. And just the aliveness and kind of ~the. ~The interactions with people, which I touched on a little bit, but something that's always been important in my life is people and connection, and especially the way their brain works and their expression through all these different things going on inside of them.
And so when I see people act, there's something that is that, like pulls at me, especially at my heart. I'm like, maybe in another life I would've been an actor, because there's something about that whole world of trying on different you different expressions ~and ~and like the merging of two identities, both the actors innate self and like this new
Identity. And then honestly, the biggest thing for me though is like the setting and the, the movement of the camera and the way that they like, use symbolism and, ~yeah, I don't know. There, I could go into that for a while. But~ yeah, I would [00:42:00] say like the kind of conversations that arise in those movies, I love directors that kind of tie in like just philosophical conversations.
Yeah. So that's why I like those movies. I love so many movies and I love movies that even don't necessarily have these, very articulate philosophical conversations, but ~still, haveSo ~still have a core. Yes, exactly. Yeah.
Quincee: Sweet. And I also, I see you, the way I imagine you in this moment too is like someone who's very much collecting or harvesting like seeds from different sources.
Because your art pulls on a lot of different threads from a lot of different places and ties them together and re braids them and recontact them. ~And~ I very much see you walking into, a theater and having a basket in hand and like being able to pick up little threads from the film and, carry them out with you and then weave them into [00:43:00] paintings or projects and, I just really admire your like, collage and kaleidoscope like way of creating.
Totally. And it's somehow still refined, but it is bringing together a lot of, seemingly ~in ~unrelated pieces. And relating them to one another through ~your. ~Your expression in your heart and identity, and it's really cool to see. I love witnessing your creation,
Silvia: ~I'm curious awesome.~
I'm curious, about your, opinion on what identity is, because as I'm speaking about ~like ~my art and readings and just who I am as a person, I keep coming back to my expression of the way I'm describing myself is, like I love the word you used this kaleidoscope of my external environment.
But there is core truths of course, and there's a core self, ~but. ~What, what's your opinion on, ~yeah. ~What is an innate self and do we have just these [00:44:00] expressions that we have from, childhood and they already come with all this colorfulness? Or do we, I don't know.
What do you think?
Quincee: Wow. I love the permission of that question. Thank you. So you asked about an innate self. I think the innate self is just awareness. Just pure awareness that is self. But when I think about the identity which arises within the innate self, the pure self of awareness, I definitely do look to our very first moments, months and weeks on this planet.
And I think about the way that. We came in, opened our eyes, and then just started behaving like a mirror. And I think that is so incredibly beautiful and cool. And we saw family members, we saw mom and dad or whoever it [00:45:00] was that was hanging out over our crib as we laid on our little backs, and they were moving their faces and their eyes and their mouths in certain ways.
And we started to do the same thing. And then, oh gosh, they're saying words now and they're moving air through their diaphragms, and now we're doing the same thing. And then we were cheered on as we crawled, and then we were cheered on as we walked. And I think that those are really core little moments of, of course like development.
There's no doubt about that. But when it comes to identity, I actually think that. Because we come in with such a strong mirror mechanism in the very beginning of our lives that we continue to do that. And this was something that I was sharing with a friend the other day, and I think there's some discomfort even in recognizing that.
But there's also a lot of beauty because in one way we don't, we wanna think of ourselves as separate and distinct and definite and original. ~And ~unfortunately I don't really [00:46:00] think we can, because we do roll through life and pick up all sorts of things, and we move in the ways that the people we love move and we pick up things that we love about the people in our lives and hopefully look at the things that we don't like about the people or the experiences in our lives, and learn to move in the opposite direction of those.
So I really do think that we are defined by both the. Negative and positive experiences of our lives. And we mirror back to the best of our ability, what we find most wholesome or good ~or ~and sometimes not. Sometimes we mirror back some of the harder things 'cause we need to keep working with them.
Yeah. But yeah, that's my understanding of identity right now and I think there's something really beautiful too. And then I'll pass things back over about, I love that there's something really beautiful about spending time with nature. Oh my gosh. Yeah. Because ~when you are a mirror and when you are, ~when your identity is based off of that which you surround [00:47:00] yourself with, when you spend time in nature, you find that you're really not so different than trees, rivers, plants, soil.
You find these parallels between your fingers and the leaves and you find these parallels between the way a certain thing moves outside and the way you move. And I think that is, if someone is really like looking to understand themselves better and understand their identity, spending a really long time outside is so great for that.
Oh yeah. And that's one reason I like maybe one day would love to do more work again as a wilderness guide because I think giving people an unconditional and safe and held and supportive space to go be in nature is the most valuable thing ever for the formation of their identity and their heart.
And yeah, that's all I got. [00:48:00] Yeah,
Silvia: that's all you got. That's a lot. I love that. I did wanna add another thing to this ~Please. ~Because I love that you say, this is my understanding of identity right now ~because. ~This is also something that I've been continuously like molding and forming, is this idea of what identity is.
And I'm curious to, 'cause even in the, ~these ~intellectual, philosophical realm, everyone talks about nature versus nurture and oh, it's all nature, it's all nurture, it's one or the other. It's interesting though, because I've been spending a lot of time around babies recently.
And I notice even from the beginning, they have these different poles and these different ways of reacting. And I don't even I can't speak to what that is specifically, but I am coming more and more into contact with maybe the idea of. The innate self. And I do think that the innate self is pushed and pulled and molded and recreated and then [00:49:00] redefined as you grow and as you're influenced.
But spending time around babies, I feel their core self come through. You see the differences. You feel like it's like an other worldly experience. It's very much this worldly experience, but Yeah. We don't always spend a lot of time around children that young. Yeah. Especially if we just haven't had children or, or we don't have really young siblings ~or and I've been thinking about the Okay.~
'cause the other day my mom was, I was asking about who I was as a child and, her experience of that. And both of my parents have a DHD. And what that does is, their memories, it's challenging for them to remember things and, pay attention or like grasp, certain aspects of, I could go into that.
But, she does have these very core memories of, she said that when I was a few months old, she was crying over my crib and she remembers, looking into my eyes ~and she was like, ~and she said that I looked so [00:50:00] deeply into her that she felt like I knew what was going on for her. And ~then ~with such calm, 'cause as children we mirror our parents in a lot of ways.
But with so much calmness, she said, I reached up and held her cheek in my hand ~and she said. With no wow. Sense of sadness. ~I was just ~like I like, I, she was ~like, you just knew and you were there with me. And I think something that's so beautiful is there's something that we carry on from another time.
I don't know what it is. ~But this, ~but she like her emotion when sharing this memory was so beautiful. And, just like the core of who we are. Just like there's little, there's these ~like ~little marbles or these we leave these little trails. Breadcrumbs Yeah.
~Breadcrumbs. Yeah. ~
Quincee: ~Yeah. ~Talked about that in my last episode with Marina. Dr. Marina, ~she's, ~we were talking about breadcrumbs and ~like ~picking up the trail. ~Oh, yeah. ~And that the trail is always there and we can ~like ~tune into it or not. ~Yeah. And oh my gosh. ~Thinking about looking into my baby's eyes and that being the response.
Absolutely. Explodes my heart. That is so beautiful.
Silvia: ~That is so beautiful. ~Clearly I was, I guess I was [00:51:00] a mirror at that point.
Quincee: Yeah. But like a, not a mirror. And this is what I think is really interesting in that moment to your mother, not a mirror of her sadness, emotional turbulence. But a mirror of her, like true deep self. Yeah. Like her pure loving awareness. Yeah. That is beautiful. So beautiful. Okay. So we're like, I feel like this is going to be the most juicy energy center for us to be in, now that we're in the third eye and in the aga because.
And as someone who, explores mediumship and creates art, I'm really curious about how you see intuition in forming your creative path.
Silvia: Yeah, that's such a weird question. I know, but in, in the best way. Yeah. I guess I'll just talk and we'll see, but I, yeah I, we have a relationship with it.
And then I guess at some point, ~I, ~per speaking personally, I found a way to, I found a name to it and I [00:52:00] guess I gave it an identity. So ~I, ~intuition is, the way it comes through for me is, I, ah, something, I like it emotional when thinking about intuition because it. Something that brings me so much comfort, especially when dealing with things as a kid sta ethnicity or feeling, imprisoned in a lot of ways or stuck or contained in a bad way.
Or in a negative feeling way, is that, the limitlessness of the world and the lack of boundaries and the movement that you can tune into. Like ~I was ~really obsessed with, the world beyond, this planet ~that we're on ~when I was a kid. I was super fascinated by, ~as we, ~as I think a lot of kids are like black holes
and like all these different other dimensional realms ~and the~ I think intuition is like a way to tune into that without necessarily. Knowing what it is. ~Again, like ~speaking of the void, what's so beautiful about intuition to me is that I can't control it. And it comes up during times, where I [00:53:00] get really clear messages or things just come through, or ~I just know.~
I just know things. And I've found frustration in that before because I do like scheduled readings ~or I do, ~and I don't always have control over how clear I am at the moment. There are things I can do to enhance that, but ~I really do, ~I have very little control over that.
But as I've developed a relationship with it, I love, it's like spontaneity and like it's limitlessness and it's lack of container and ~it's, ~I feel like I'm friends with it. Yeah. ~Yeah.~
Quincee: Yeah, you're getting more and more comfortable like swimming in the space of the formless void and being here.
Totally. And I think, as an artist, what more could we hope for Yes. Yeah. Than to increase our capacity to be with the mystery and not like clinging or grasp or try to force anything to come through a channel that we really don't have that much control over.
But ~we, ~what we do have control over is preparing the [00:54:00] conditions so that when something does sparkle into the void or the ether shifts and ~there's ~suddenly something is revealed. That we have the capacity, the confidence, the container, the desire, the drive, the motivation and the compassion to create it and to give ourselves the gift of bringing that in to form ~and~~ Yes.~
And birthing it all the way through. Yeah. And I think. ~Just as a brief aside, that's, ~that is the whole goal of this project. I want to create spaces where creative people or artists can become more and more comfortable with the void, with the mystery, with this formless space so that they can be ready to harvest from it and receive from it, and create from it with the utmost integrity.
And yeah, delight, genuine delight. And I think that, having practices and yoga, meditation and breath and somatics just help [00:55:00] prepare this vessel to hold that experience better. Because I'm ~really I don't know. I think I've been ~really haunted by the artist's stigma of. Dysfunction.
And oh, if you're, if you're a painter, if you're an artist, like you're suffering a lot, and like your suffering is the basis of your art. I don't think that's necessarily, I don't think that's necessarily a bad thing. It's incredible that we can transmute suffering into art. I think that is so incredibly beautiful.
Yeah. But I don't think that suffering is a necessary substrate in order to create beautiful work. No. Okay. Yeah. Yes.
Yeah.
Silvia: Can I just say something really quick? Yeah. Okay. Please. Unrelated, but as you're talking about the purpose of this project, the imagery that comes to mind is, ~I like, I was gonna say, ~you have a very natural ability to hold space, and I feel like I'm sitting in a.
~Like I am, ~like we're, I'm sitting in this shell and like sitting on like a [00:56:00] clam, like one of the little beds, little soft like Venus on the hospital. Yes. ~And it's~
Quincee: like clothes washing up on the ocean of consciousness in a clamshell. ~Yes, ~
Silvia: ~exactly. Yeah, dude. I was, oh, I was gonna, that's awesome.~
~I was gonna speak on, okay. ~Something I was thinking on, is the relationship with, the lack of control, or the perceived lack of control? I think a lot about ~the, ~the visualization. Is it a Buddhist print Actually, educate me on this. The pendulum?
That if you pull too far to one side, it'll swing the opposite way. ~Yeah. ~This has been such a huge lesson in the last couple years.
Quincee: Yeah. ~We, I think we talked about this last time. ~Did we spend time together about the pendulum experience. ~Yeah. ~Tell me more about that.
Yes. ~Oh, I was just gonna~
Silvia: say that, this is the, it feels relevant to speaking about art because the more you force creation, the stronger it holds back in a way. It doesn't hold back, but it, expresses differently. And, I was gonna say that, learning [00:57:00] to, accept the fluidity of intuition and when intuition comes.
Actually makes intuition stronger. Because you're ~opening you're ~opening that pathway for unlimited expression and the more you try to form a channel for it, and the more you force, that knowing the less ~cre ~creativity or openness for creativity. You can't force intuition or else it's not intuition.
You have a preoccupation with how you want it to go. And so in the same idea of you can use that for like attachment in your relationships or you can use that for ~Yeah. ~Any kind of attachment, any kind of pull to one side, is going to create restlessness and it's gonna create, a very strict duality or dichotomy that you might not be ready
Quincee: ~for.~
Now you're speaking ~about just like Yeah, ~about manifestation. I feel ~again, yeah. Where you're just. ~Highlighting ~like ~the more you yearn ~or reach for, ~or grasp for something that you perceive to be lacking ~Yes. Perceive to be lacking, whether, yeah, ~whether it's money or creative inspiration or a partner or [00:58:00] a situation, the more that thing evades you ~and I think that, ~I think that our practice is literally just to prepare ourselves for the inevitable reception of that which we most dream of.
Yeah. ~And like ah, ~it's a tricky game, but it's also quite simple too. It's like just being in positive expectancy that thing is showing up. ~You're like, you're waiting for a guest. ~You're waiting for a guest, and you're at your house. Yes. And you're like, oh, I'm gonna put a pot of tea on and I'm gonna make some cookies, and I'm gonna get ready for the inevitable unfolding of this creative spark.
~Or Yeah. ~I think that this is the way I see it ~there's this there's this idea that meditation is an accident or enlightenment. This is the idea. ~There's this idea that enlightenment is an accident. And meditation simply makes us more accident prone. ~No way. ~And so I think that it is the same with creative inspiration is an accident, but our practice and our dedication to showing up to do our work and prepare ourselves to be creative just increases ~our~ our accident [00:59:00] proneness, our ability to.
~Yeah. ~Have that accident of creativity. I love that. ~I don't know. I don't know. No. Yeah. Yeah. We become more accident prone through our practice accident Prone is. Yeah. That's so awesome. ~
Silvia: ~Yeah. Yes. ~I'm very accident prone. You don't need to tell me about that. ~Yeah. Yeah. ~Again, that goes back to theater again where you're just, you're acting until it creates, especially if we're talking about manifestation, I think it's sad that manifestation gets the reputation it does sometimes, because I think when anything comes into our experience on a mass collective scale, you're gonna, again, with the pendulum, it's gonna swing the opposite way too.
So you hear both sides of. People invalidating that and then people validating that to the point, of it almost not being accessible to everyone. But manifestation, you could put so many different words to it, is just the experience of things coming into form and the idea that we have agency and ability to create things consciously and with intention and Yeah.
[01:00:00] Like you're speaking, holding something too close to one side, is the idea of lack. And it's okay to want or to desire to or to even ~em embodiment or em ~embody the having of it. But if it's in response to a perceived lack, that's when,
It's gonna turn out, it's just gonna turn out differently it's not bad or good, but, embodying the idea that it's already there. That's also art. Art is just creation. It's manifesting yes. You just do it and it happens. It's amazing. Sometimes when I'm making art, I'm in it for hours, ~awesome. And I don't even know. Yeah. ~Time is irrelevant when you're creating.
It's amazing.
Quincee: I like to think that if there's anyone listening to this who doesn't have a creative practice that they're gonna start making art just so that they can practice the act of manifesting. Yes. That's what I want. I do love that. And I want that for the world. I want that to be exercising our creative pathway and understanding our relationship to creative life force energy.
Yes. So that we [01:01:00] can all get what we want. ~And~
Silvia: No, I love that. It's true. And speaking on what you're talking about, ~if Yeah, ~if anyone hears this, ~that is ah, I don't have a creative practice, ~the creative practice can be anything. It could be you getting up in the morning and saying, I'm gonna drive 15 minutes out and jump in water.
~Yeah. You could just, it could be an experience. ~It can be, you can create experience Creation. Creation is anything. It doesn't need to be ~vi ~a visual art,
Quincee: thank you for that. ~Yeah.~
Silvia: Yeah. ~I think~
Quincee: that's permission that people really need to hear, like your creative process could look like getting up and inventing a cool breakfast for yourself.
It could look like sitting down and writing, and that's a great place to start. It could look like pulling out, colored pencils and drawing your dreams.
There's so many different, it could be singing inroads, it
Silvia: could be singing. It could Exactly. It could be digging a hole in your backyard. It's exactly. It could be tying your shoe differently. Anything. ~Anything. It's every actually. ~If someone thinks they don't have a creative practice, I'm telling them right now that they do, because everything you do is a creative practice, but you can put intention into it.
~And yeah. Yeah. And~
Quincee: the intention may be being like, [01:02:00] in this moment I'm aligning with the creative life force energy of the universe and it feels so good. And that's what I came here to do, yes. Yeah. ~There's something also that I wanted to speak really quickly before we head on up to the crown chakra and like close things out on a very celestial amount.~
~But~ when you were speaking about in our art practice, we're just bringing energy into form. Or into matter. There's what I wanna say is that the gap between. Energy and matter and form really is not as fast as we've made it up to be. And we've created that separation and that duality.
And we practice that separation and that duality day in and day out. And we have just as much power to practice. Its inseparability and its, unity. And so when we think about the unified field, that's what we're talking about, right? And this is most, beautifully demonstrated by, have you ever seen cymatics the study of matics?
No. So somatics is this field of study where it's not the water
Silvia: thing, ~is ~
Quincee: ~it? It~ it's sometimes done with water. Yes. So it's [01:03:00] where. Vibration will be played, at a certain frequency usually like on a metal plate and different frequencies produce different shapes and patterns.
So it's this is a beautiful illustration of the way that energy slash vibration, in the form of sound literally begins to form the shape of things. I say this only to remind people that, there really isn't so much of a gap between what you think and then what you say and then what ends up being created in front of your eyes.
~Yeah. And it's a law. ~It's a law of the universe and this is how things work and ~Wow. ~To just hold that truth with a lot of tenderness. If you continue to speak your dream. Even if it's just privately amazing things can happen and it's only a matter of time before it starts to manifest and take form in the world.
Silvia: I was just gonna say too, if you put [01:04:00] like putting the idea of, in your own concept of abundance or happiness or enlightenment or whatever that is, if you put out these general, like you imagine the beautiful expression of what that is, things that align with you.
There is just a innate intelligence in everything that you don't even have to plan it. There's no pressure. ~You, it's, ~I almost think it's better to meditate or think on these kinds of large, broad, expansive ideas because then you don't, like something. Out there ~has, ~is tapped into something much more expansive than sometimes we are.
Yeah. And things will ~un, they'll ~roll out in a way that maybe ~you didn't, ~you couldn't even have conceptualize Exactly. So much larger. Yes. I love what
Quincee: you're saying. ~I think~ I feel that this is so true in my own experience. Like ~you with your ~each of us, we have a limited imagination and mind that we have access to through willful thinking. So when I'm trying to imagine my [01:05:00] ideal scenario or manifestation ~of~ of a certain experience that's ~pretty ~actually energetically limiting. Yes. And that closes me off to a really, like what you're saying, closes you off to a pretty small focus.
But if you can just meditate on the felt experience. ~Yes. ~Of how it's going to feel when something is a yes for you or is right. And calibrate yourself to just the experience of Yes. Then the universe or the larger intelligence is going to braid together something for you that is far beyond your wildest dreams.
Exactly. Yeah. ~You're like ~your limited ability to imagine. ~Yes. Yeah. ~Can I add one more thing Please? I love, 'cause I love that we're here.
Silvia: ~Yeah. I was just gonna say in a, on a similar, ~yeah. So in a similar way, the idea of, when we are consciously creating something very specific. We're still trying to go ~through to, ~towards that goal.
~You have, ~you like having this deep analysis of why do I want that thing? Usually we want this person or this idea, or this career or this [01:06:00] direction that we believe, eventually will lead to that felt sense of security or enlightenment or happiness ~or sec Yeah. Again, whatever. ~So to go past that expectation or that kind of specific desire and to grasp onto the feeling is so important because you'll have that thing and then you might be terribly unhappy.
You don't know. ~Yeah. The emotion behind and the response is everything's unknown. Yeah. Yeah.~
Quincee: And also you can have that feeling right now. ~You have it in everything.~
Silvia: And I think people get really stuck on these material experiences or things because, and we don't realize the intention behind them, and you want something specific.
But imagine sitting here and everything feels aligned and beautiful and you've never felt this way before. And it's at your, you can, you're in it, you can have it if you want. That's
Quincee: a
Silvia: really hard lesson. ~It's not necessarily that easy, but, ~
Quincee: Because we've been, from the moment we came here, pretty trained [01:07:00] to think a certain way and to move a certain way. And children indeed are tapped into a better sense of knowing how to manifest.
~Yeah, that's quite true. ~And there's an example that I like to explore often with myself, which was also from Esther Hicks. And she was saying, ~what do what? ~Let's say you want a million dollars. What do you want from a million dollars? Exactly. It's this feeling of security, expansiveness, abundance, possibility, comfort.
Yeah. Are you more likely to, by the end of today, have a million dollars or a feeling of peace, ease, expansiveness joy, comfort? Like you can have that which you want so much more quickly and easily than you. Then you believe? Yeah, I don't know. No, exactly. And of course barring I think that one thing that I wanna be really aware of is, and cautious of is not just like [01:08:00] completely steamrolling the complexity of people's situations and material world know, and the material world is really dense and challenging.
And I think that definitely as Pisces we, run the risk of spiritual bypassing of course. And not being attentive to the challenges and distinctions of living ~in a Yeah. ~In a material experience. No, all of that as a disclaimer, there's just a fun little ramble about manifestation there
Silvia: and Yeah, no, it's true.
It's so fascinating because ~the, ~we were talking about this too, 'cause I was talking about this in context of spaces that feel safe to me and how those spaces are created by people who have felt deep levels of unsafety. And. Some of the most clearly minded open human beings are the ones that have experienced, suffering is not necessarily like a linear thing or something that we can, calculate ~or, ~but it's, high levels of suffering.
Those they seem to come out of it with so much [01:09:00] wisdom. ~And ~because it's it's breaking out of a cocoon ~of, in, ~in a way. And I think, I think again, ~not to it's~ I agree it's important not to spiritually bypass ~know~ I am still trying to figure out what I think about limitations and walls and boundaries in this material world. But, it's true. Like again, you're someone who is, I couldn't imagine having a child right now. Imagine having four children, being a single parent, working every day, like over 12 hours a day.
And then, ~but ~with that capacity, speaking on it because of where my family comes from, ~and~ there is so much wisdom that you innately have from all those experiences ~that ~to tap into it and used in your way and formed in the way that you have the capacity in your life. You have so much to share ~and~ yeah, sometimes wisdom is bred through hardship.
~And I, ~and that's not me romanticizing hardship either because I do not romanticize suffering or hardship, ~but it's, ~it doesn't mean that is a wall. ~Yeah.~
Quincee: It's not an end. [01:10:00]
Silvia: Yeah.
Quincee: And I can feel, yeah. I can feel when we talk that there's a deeper capacity to hold, both the ultimate and relative realities Yeah.
In our hands because of like ~a, I think ~a really shared experience of hardship. And we weren't in the same family system or the same place at the same time. But I think that we have really similar spirits and pretty similar, ~like ~environmental context growing up with lack of safety. And I think that it has created a space in our dialogue where we can, yeah.
Where we can attend to both the ultimate, and also the relative, which is, our experiences of hurt or sorrow or pain or suffering. At the same time. And yeah, I'm really in awe of that and in honoring of that as we yeah. As we move through our conversation.
Yeah. Thank you. Yeah. Yeah.
Silvia: No, but that is super important is bringing up the, a lot, we all have [01:11:00] different access points and we all have different, yeah. Different spaces in the material world. And, that's also part of the work I wanna do is like with what I have accessible to be able to give or support or love or just bring, give back what I have received too.
Quincee: I am so curious as we close and as we go to the crown, ~to, to, yeah. ~To explore a little bit about our connection to spirit and source, how you define that, which you dedicate your creative expression to.
Silvia: I've been thinking a lot about the intention behind my art. Is this in support of what I'm working towards, or who I am or who I want to be?
Or who I, the different expressions I hold? Who am I making art for? Why am I making art? ~I,~
We didn't exactly touch on travel, but [01:12:00] I will say that, through my experiences, because I am someone who feels safety in movement, through my travel experiences, I've come in contact with. All different kinds of beautiful people. And, I've gotten confirmation of maybe what, where, what I was supposed to express in this life.
And confirmation of partly the, art I've just, yeah, confirmation in art and in an, in the I, that's what I've been told the I in art. And I don't know why, what is the purpose of coming into this world? To, share, different abilities. I'm not sure. I don't know what that impulse is. We could call it evolution.
We can call it, enlightenment or just, or maybe it has no purpose. It's this weird magnetic pull towards something like we're ~like ~growing towards the sun, ~but we don't. But there's. Yeah. But I don't, ~I do not hold the conscious awareness at the moment of why nor do I think there necessarily [01:13:00] has to be a why.
~Yeah. I do think I am. ~I grew up, I have two very, religious backgrounds. My immediate family is not religious or they don't define themselves as religious, but behind those families are very religious. I have been influenced in that. I have this experience of some God existing and ~I~ that's embodied in a way.
So I give a lot of gratitude towards whatever that is. ~And~ and I consistently create art ~in~ with the purpose of putting it out there, I have this drive to put it out there, and I don't question the drive. ~And I've and ~when I hear that it impacts, or it enlivens or it inspires people in certain ways, ~that is, ~that in turn, ~is it ~feeds me too.
~It's~ it's like this, ~like ~beautiful, ~like ~recycling or ~like ~returning of energy back and forth. ~And so~
Quincee: beautiful. And I so resonate with and really celebrate the similarity between us of finding safety in motion. ~And. Coming into a sense of feeling like that's okay. ~I think ~there's a lot of~ [01:14:00] there's a lot of people in my life or situations in my life that have made me feel ashamed of being someone who wants to be in motion.
~And ~there have been stories that have come up within myself of oh, you're moving around so much because you're running from something,~ I've just been worried about that in myself. ~But the truth is I really do find such a deep safety and comfort in continuing to experience the world from different vantage points and different locations and through the eyes of different cultures and different people, ~and.~
I think that there's really something so beautiful about the creations that come through us as a result of our expanding our perspectives. ~Yeah. ~Like I don't think the things that I've been creating over the last few months would be coming to me had I not taken a year and a half to ~like ~really just go and dig into different cultures and travel and experience new things.
Yes, of [01:15:00] course. Something would inevitably be here and who's to say if it would be of equal or lesser value, but the quality of the things that I'm creating is really touched by those travels, and that is really meaningful to me. ~Yeah. So ~yeah. I'm so happy to have that shared experience with you, of just curiosity as we move through the world ~and it's through different spaces ~and finding safety in different spaces and.
Silvia: Yeah. We were also like, I speaking for me, I was created in movement. Like both of my parents, their families don't come from this continent, ~or, yeah. ~And they don't come from North America, so it's, I wouldn't have been created if, yeah. ~I, ~they weren't in movement, not for motion, wow. We need the people in motion. We learn and we grow and we expand. ~I don't, I'm not one for, ~I don't, support colonization or any of that at all. But movement in of itself, and exploration is also a form of creation, ~so~
Quincee: I love that as a stopping point.
Silvia: Yeah.
Quincee: Movement [01:16:00] is, ~can you say it one more time?~
Silvia: ~Yeah. ~Movement is creation.
Quincee: ~Yeah. ~Movement is creation. And creation is movement. ~Yeah.~
Silvia: Yeah.
Quincee: Oh, that was awesome. ~Perfect. You're ~perfect. Thank you so much. ~You're perfect. ~Thank you. You are I'm so lucky that I got to interview you. ~I'm ~
Silvia: I feel so grateful. I love having these conversations and my eyes have been closed for so long.
~Me too. Yeah. Which~
Quincee: feels actually pretty good. Yeah. ~Yeah. ~Is there anything that you would like to share as we close out? Like about how people can find your work or stay connected to the things that you're creating? Any news about that or,
Silvia: okay. I would say the best way to see my art would be my Instagram, which is. Sylvia spelled S-I-L-V-I-A, and then it'd be underscore RO ssa rosa. ~There are so many things that, and directions that I wanna take that I haven't quite yet. ~I would say that's the easiest place to see my art.
Perfect. But also anyone listening, contact me. I love meeting people. Yeah. I love meeting artists. I love just meeting people who are [01:17:00] curious and, ~and~ like collaborating or, that's how we met.
Quincee: A friend. But yeah, I think the same invitation goes like.
Just reaching out, if someone has questions or ideas or comments on our conversation. I'm so open to hearing about how this episode hit people. Yes. I wanna know what things that we talked about resonated, or what felt expansive, or what felt challenging. Totally. Any of that. I'm so excited to hear about how this lands within people's minds, bodies, and hearts.
Thank you for journeying with me into the Fertile Vision Seed Podcast. From this space, it's my hope that the whisper of inspiration may take root and aid you in your creative path. If this episode resonated with you, I invite you to share it, leave a review, and follow along with us on social media.
Until next time, keep dancing in the dark and cultivating the seeds of your creative vision. Bye-bye.
